Neighborhood Meeting with AllCare VNA 4-6-10

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City Councilor Brendan Crighton and Council President Timothy Cahill called a neighborhood meeting with downtown residents on April 6th, following rising questions and concerns over a proposed office building on the grass MBTA lot in front of the parking garage. Also present were Shawn Potter and other Allcare representatives, Jim Cowdell of the EDIC, Jamie Marsh from Community Development, and Mayor Kennedy.

A public hearing in front of the entire City Council will be held on Tuesday, April 13th at 8pm in the Council Chambers.


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  16 comments for “Neighborhood Meeting with AllCare VNA 4-6-10

  1. Katerina
    April 14, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    In the spirit of Diversity I have made Haiku’s

    I want to design
    A Proper Lynn Fountain so
    My beloved can Drink

    and

    They question my Shoe
    Shack that I love so very much
    Why don’t they love it

    and

    I am architect
    Maybe not licensed in MA
    I am architect

  2. April 14, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    I keep voting!

  3. Katerina
    April 14, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Why can’t everyone just vote for the dog fountain and make it all better.
    I keep clicking my shoes 3xs like the good witch said and nothing happens. Nothing I say!

  4. April 14, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Um, reality check, fyi, condos are homes… and all of us elitist idiots do frequent the ethnic shops. The diversity of the city is one of the reasons I moved to Lynn. Expanding the tax base in downtown by increasing home owners in that area and encouraging for-profit business growth would help us with those “real” issues. I think people have pride in the fact that the Blue Ox and other thriving businesses, which has received rave reviews, is in our city and want to encourage more businesses like it to thrive here.

  5. April 14, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Why do you have to insult anyone to get your point across, enough already? Why are the only two choices you give suck it up or move on? You are the one who is “bitching.” I hope you’re out there dealing with Lynn’s “real” issues.

  6. Enough already
    April 14, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Businesses you speak off cannot survive in Lynn. They tried and moved to Salem where they thrive.
    The sad reality.
    Unless you level all the nonprofits in Lynn and drive out all the section 8 rentals/low income housing then you will have a chance.
    The schools are burdened by all these issues as well.
    The condo people are such a small tax base. What Lynn needs is more people buying homes, sending kids to school in town, building a community.
    That is not happening as non of the community services will leave nor the people. Nor should they.
    At least if they keep most of the services downtown it is a smaller area, easy to get to by bus etc.
    Be happy with the 2 new restaurants that seem to be thriving. Lots of ethnic businesses are thriving as well..just none that to elitist idiots! Any more “south end businesses” would shut down the existing since there is not enough people to sustain more than 2 or 3.
    Sure we all want to shop in our community but time for a reality check. You made a bad investment on your condos, paying much to much for them at the height of the market.
    Suck it up or move on and stop bitching! Who are you to tell a nonprofit where they can buy their supplies from?
    FYI the Blue Ox really is not all that great –its a nice restaurant in the ghetto that draws people in for freak factor. Decent but nothing over the top! They also are wonderful on marketing themselves!
    Lynn has real issues to deal with!

  7. Enough already!
    April 13, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    The two main businesses you speak of, Gulu Gulu and Urban Elements are thriving. However, I don’t want to have to drive to other cities to spend my money when/if I can spend it in my home town.

    If you want to fix the schools, add more money to the police fund to fight crime (kudos for the lower rating), reopen the closed fire stations, revamp the library, and on and on, to increase the quality of life in Lynn, you need an increased tax base, AND an actively mobile community of citizens. To have an increased tax base, you need more homeowners. To have more homeowners, in large quantities, you need look no further than the condos which are already built. To have a community, you have to have resources for those citizens. A downtown area full of non-profit health services is not going to increase home ownership in the area or increase a tax base unless the non-profits start paying their employees more, and they all buy the condos. I would like to know ho many of the employees live downtown, and how many would be willing to move there if this building is put up. Well less than half the employees that work for VNA live in Lynn.

    This building is proposed for people’s back yards. The option on retail first floor could add value to their properties by helping draw more bodies into Lynn, not just the employees who are largely already working in downtown Lynn. (Look at any of the studies that have already been done.) The payment in lieu of taxes is the only fiscal benefit to the city right now that I know of. I want to know, are they going to hire a Lynn architect? There are plenty in the city. Are they going to hire Lynn people to maintain the grounds? Are they going to hire Lynn residents for maintenance, electrical, plumbing, etc? Are they going to buy their supplies in Lynn? How many of their employees will actually spend time IN Lynn during the day if they are treating patients in the field ranging from Chelsea to New Hampshire (forgive me if I’m wrong with locations, this is how it was presented to me)? Are there going to be any new jobs that would go to Lynn residents? The first floor retail would add additional tax base for the city, It could bring jobs into the city, it could form a bridge to the waterfront, it could do a lot of things.

    It’s not as simple as wanting VNA here or not, its do we put aside thousands of dollars worth of research and vast amount of time that has been spent to create a plan to enrich the entire city of Lynn, just because this organization is one we know? Isn’t that why people were up in arms about the past administrations? When is it going to be time to put a foot down and say that Lynn is not a pushover city, we need to do what’s best for us in the long run? I think the administration is there… certainly some of the residents are there, but there’s still a number that likes to sit back and complain about how horrible things are, but then chastise those who want to make it better.

    Do you want Lynn to thrive, or do you want it to be the Massachusetts center for non-profit medical and social services? Because if it’s the later, I’ll start marketing my house now to people in the field, hell maybe I can get a section 8 rental deal…

    Mixed use first floor retail and the offices above are a better fit for the city at large.

  8. Corey
    April 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Salem has a city planner. Salem has good urban development skills and is wooing retail. Notice anything related to Salems successful strategy in those sentences?

  9. April 12, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    The night life in Salem is good year round. Most of shops count on October to make it.
    Lynn has a good night life too, with a couple new businesses added to it.

    What’s wrong with bringing shops to Lynn?

    Burger King and McDonalds use the same strategies, when locating stores next to each other. An area with more choices brings more crowds.

  10. BW
    April 12, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Salem is booming all year round. It peaks at Halloween. Hello, 2 main businesses moved from downtown Lynn to Salem and are thriving!

  11. April 11, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    essentially…
    If Lynn boosts as a tourist town,
    It will help Salem keep a steady boost all year round, other than the one season it has now.

  12. April 11, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Ben,
    I am happy you know some of your people. Take the exit into Lynn sometime and visit sometime, you’ll find more to admire than you know.

    Lynn has a right like every other community to have a nice community.. as it wishes. This would not only help Lynn, but surrounding cities as well for tourism. Right now our tourist towns in New England are spread out. Maybe if Lynn had these improvments, tourists would make a hop stop from Boston to Lynn to Salem in one day (or Marblehead too) Instead of having tourist decide where to drive for a day – Rockport at one end/ Newburyport at another/ and then Salem… why not cluster our famous towns.
    Yes famous. Lynn historically and presently is a great destination…. we hold many of the most visited destinations in the North Shore: Lynn Shore Drive, Lynn/Nahant Beach, Lynn Woods (Lynn Woods is top rated for biking and hiking).. as well as some other hidden places. We have High Rock Tower and Observatory. Tell me another city which has all of this? And we have a beautiful historical architecturally rich downtown, in which is coming alive again. Lynn has more potential for a booming downtown all year round, other than just one season a year as Salem counts on.

    Do you know the famous nursery rhyme?…

    Trot trot to Boston
    Trot trot to Lynn
    Trot trot to Salem
    Home home again.

    (and variations)
    Trot trot to Boston
    Trot trot to Lynn
    Trot trot over the water
    we all fall in!

    Lynn, Lynn… the most famous ditty that has ever been! 🙂

  13. April 11, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    You needed to go one further over to the right. Seth said everything that made sense. “Old Lynn” as he was coined, I don’t think has been downtown since 1990.

    We’re meddling exactly where we belong. We bought property about a block away 4 years ago and have seen state and city money spent on very strategic planning processes for that exact spot. Read the Market Street Vision Plan.

    They call for first floor retail. They call for something that screams Downtown Lynn Identity. They call for something to cover the garage. In it’s current design, it doesn’t even DO THAT! The VNA is a fantastic organization. They should be on floor 2 through whatever, just like they are now at Century Bank.

    People from all over are visiting Zimmans, Turbine, Blue Ox, The Little Gallery Under the Stairs every single day. You might have Marblehead and Salem to shop at. We shop and eat in Lynn. We want more options here. We want more tax revenue for Lynn. We want more foot traffic day AND night. We want to draw in more residents.

    You want a suburban office building surrounded by a fence? Sorry, it’s a no go.

    -Corey

  14. Ben Winchester
    April 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    The man on the right was the only one who made sense.
    You can always add more retail space. VNA has been in the community for years. They easily can build/rent space elsewhere. Celebrate the fact they want to stay in Lynn.
    Who are any of you to say what they can and cannot make their building like? The space was up for bid. If it was such a hot place why didn’t someone else scoop it up. They are a nonprofit not in the business of renting retail space!
    There are so many empty store fronts all over the state and Lynn has more than its share as well. New businesses move in and move out. More often in Lynn they open up, fail, stop paying rent and another one moves in or the space sits empty.
    Stop dreaming and live in reality. The VNA is a core to the community! Leave them be! The building looks nice, as does Eastern Bank!
    And no people from other communities will not be stopping and shopping in Lynn. We have Marblehead and Salem already! It’s nice to dream but to meddle where you don’t belong whining about a community service is wrong!

  15. April 7, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Thanks Seth for taping the meeting.
    You covered what I wanted to add. The building is copying the wrong architecture. This is becoming frustrating.

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